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Author Topic: Surprise! Hornby Street bike lane plans rolled out  (Read 2156 times)
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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2010, 08:47:40 PM »

I love living dt, you get used to the noise pretty quickly.
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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2011, 01:07:49 PM »

speaking of bikes, our wonderful city mayor and his band of merry men / women can learn a thing or two from this New York city councillor.

http://www.theprovince.com/travel/Register+road+test+cyclists+Make+accountable/4119143/story.html

Register, road test cyclists: Make 'em accountable
Sticker program helps deter thefts, ID those in mishaps
 
Bicyclists in New York may soon need a sticker to ride, if a city council member there has his way.

In a bid to rein in rogue riders, Eric Ulrich, a Republican from Queens, wants adult cyclists in the Big Apple to fork over a small fee and affix an ID tag to their vehicles.

Last Friday, Ulrich was reported in the New York Post as saying bike riders often scare the hell out of seniors and don't have proper identification on them when accidents happen.

"There seems to be a double standard when it comes to enforcing the traffic laws," he noted.

Predictably, this upset cycling advocates. But I agree with Ulrich that, in both Vancouver and New York City, cyclists are getting a soft ride and public safety is being compromised.

Let's backtrack a bit. Cycling is cyclical; it's gone in and out of fashion since the so-called golden age of cycling in the 1890s.

Now, with a pedal-pushing mayor in the driver's seat, Vancouver city hall has gone bike mad. It pumps out a stream of pro-cycle propaganda, including the claim that "cyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as drivers."

When the rubber hits the road, however, cyclists don't have the same duties as motorists. They don't have to take a road test, get a driver's licence, register and insure their bikes and display a licence plate or other ID. And I think they should.

I mean, if taxpayers have to pay millions for bike lanes, shouldn't operators of these vulnerable vehicles be required to have a rudimentary knowledge of our road rules?

As North Vancouver resident Anthony Buckland points out, anyone seems to be able to hop on a bike and behave as he or she sees fit.

"I have never heard of any cyclist anywhere in our local paper's reporting areas being stopped by police, charged with anything and being obliged to pay a fine or suffer other penalties," Buckland, a retired computer analyst, wrote to the North Shore News.

Vancouver Coun. Suzanne Anton of the Non-Partisan Association, an avid cyclist, told me Friday that a registration system for cyclists would mean "way too much bureaucracy." And Arno Schortinghuis, president of the Vancouver Area Cycling Coalition, said cycling is too worthwhile for barriers to be put in its way.

But what is more important than safety? Why do we licence everything from dogs to boats, but not bikes?

Newspaper records show compulsory bike licensing in Vancouver dates to 1938, and has fallen in and out of fashion ever since.

Former Vancouver council member George Puil remembers that, when he was a teen in 1945, his bike had to be registered. "It was a sticker that was put on the frame just behind the front wheel," he told me.

Puil, though, now says such a licensing system would be too costly. But the city of Madison, Wis., clearly doesn't agree with him. It says its bike-registration program helps in everything from theft deterrence to rider identification in case of an accident.

Vancouver cyclists demand to be recognized as full citizens of the road. They should earn that privilege, just like other road users.
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2011, 01:40:58 PM »

Just after WW2 they had actual little licence plates for bikes in Edmonton.  Smaller than motorcycle plates.  I don't know if they were city or province issued.  "You need a sticker to ride"  to the tune of She's got a ticket to ride - The Beatles, to promote the issue.  Just a suggestion.  It may cost the bureaucracy more to administer than it would bring in especially with the civil service labor costs today.  Look what car licence/registration fees are now.  It could cost families with children a lot more to licence multiple bikes and then there are the enforcement costs.  I do think they should enforce the rule of the road against cyclists.  Just my thoughts.  Make it a by-law that they have to carry and produce ID.
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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2011, 10:48:10 AM »

Vancouver cyclists demand to be recognized as full citizens of the road. They should earn that privilege, just like other road users.

I agree 100%!!!!

I noticed the other day they finally put in an advance right turn light @ Georgia & Hornby.  It was brutal trying to turn only on green when there weren't any pedestrians in the way.
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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2011, 12:44:41 PM »

Vancouver cyclists demand to be recognized as full citizens of the road. They should earn that privilege, just like other road users.

I agree 100%!!!!

I noticed the other day they finally put in an advance right turn light @ Georgia & Hornby.  It was brutal trying to turn only on green when there weren't any pedestrians in the way.


Yep - there are a bunch of advance right turn lights on to and off Hornby now, which is very helpful.  I'm still pretty paranoid about peds/cyclists not respecting them, but so far it's been OK.
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« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2011, 01:11:08 PM »

I agree 100%!!!!

I noticed the other day they finally put in an advance right turn light @ Georgia & Hornby.  It was brutal trying to turn only on green when there weren't any pedestrians in the way.

They've had it for quite a few weeks now I think, the problem is you can't make a right turn when the right turn light is red and so only five or six cars get through when there are 20+ cars in queue. I thought a better solution is that bicylces don't need such a long green light... shorten it and just replace the right turn light with a no right turn signal that turns on when the bicycles have a green light and a "Yield to Pedestrians" sign.
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« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2011, 01:15:07 PM »

but that would mean the bikes have to, heaven forbid, stop and wait at an intersection   Grin
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« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2011, 01:17:19 PM »

I agree 100%!!!!

I noticed the other day they finally put in an advance right turn light @ Georgia & Hornby.  It was brutal trying to turn only on green when there weren't any pedestrians in the way.

They've had it for quite a few weeks now I think, the problem is you can't make a right turn when the right turn light is red and so only five or six cars get through when there are 20+ cars in queue. I thought a better solution is that bicylces don't need such a long green light... shorten it and just replace the right turn light with a no right turn signal that turns on when the bicycles have a green light and a "Yield to Pedestrians" sign.

At Hornby & Hastings they have a separate light for right turns, bicycles, and pedestrians. It actually goes pretty smoothly.  But your idea is a pretty good one too!
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